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PostPosted: 21 mins ago    Post subject: Can a man be straight and just fetishize gay sex?

And if gay men aren't trying to fantasize about straight black celebs, they want to emulate them.

I feel it's two-sided.

Most ot y'all top 10 sexiest men are probably all straight-identified.

Again, straight identity is more respected in the gay community, especially trans.

Again, when men claim "bisexual", it is not respected.

Straight identity is definitely fetishized in the black sgl gay lgbt community.
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PostPosted: 28 mins ago    Post subject: Can a man be straight and just fetishize gay sex?

As black sgl men, we also fetishize straight men. So much to the point where some gay men choose trans lifestyle for that fetish.

Let's think because there is a large portion of men who use gay men and trans as kinks so, if you engage with men, communicate your expectations.

These so-called straight men will never "come out"because it's a fetish. It just so happens that it overlaps with so much sociocultural band religious strife and gender politics until it is much more deviant than other kinks which makes it all thAr much more thrilling to a lot of men, both straight and gay identified.

The gay community gets what we subconsciously desire which is as fetish.

Gay niggas loooooove straight niggas. Let's be clear!
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PostPosted: 3 hrs ago    Post subject: Can a man be straight and just fetishize gay sex?

11 hrs ago

Do some of these men not come out because ultimately, homosexual sex is a fetish for them?

Is there an overlap between homosexual orientation and erotic orientation of fetisization of having sex with a man?

What if getting sloppy toppy from a man is a fetish? Are they truly gay?

What if trans women are a fetish for DL men?

5 hrs ago

No they can't be straight and fetishize gay sex because if that was true then they would have to be a non participant (spectator) at the beginning of the sexual interaction and would only see or have things done to them sexually that provides that desire. This type of interaction would most likely happen in a 3 threesome with a girl, a gay dude and the so called straight dude or 2 gay dudes and the so called straight dude. For example, so called straight dude has a girlfriend that has a gay guy friend that her boyfriend don't know about sexually but she wants to have a threesome with dude involved to see if her dude is gay. They have a threesome experience where her dude is eating her out but while he eating her out the gay friend that he doesn't know about starts sucking his dick. Now he's too into eating her out that he doesn't worry about dude sucking his dick because he's getting what he wants and everyone is having fun. The actual fetishizing comes along after the 3some where the so called straight dude is always trying to get some head or ends up wanting to fuck dude like he did when ole girl went to do something while they continued fucking or giving head to each other. And that continues to a separate sexual encounter with both dudes by themselves or many other occasions.

Or if 2 gay dudes have a straight friend that always is horny and they are getting him riled up by the things they do in his presence such as dropping it like its hot or kissing and even sexual encounters that he ends up joining as a result of it.

So to me for a straight dude to fetishize gay sex would mean that he would have to be a voyeur more than anything that likes watching at first and starts as a non participant in the sexual interaction but eventually has gay sex as a result which means there would have to be more than one person involved at the beginning of each sexual encounter.

Because here lies the true reality of accepting that if a straight dude watches straight porn then who is he watching and getting his sexual gratification from? Is it the dude that's up in the woman's pussy or does he wish dude was fucking him in the video or he was sucking dude's dick or dude was sucking his dick while fucking ole girl? Or if dude watches bisexual porn do he wishes he was one of the dudes that are sexually interacting together? Or if dude watches gay porn and he wishes another dude would do those things to him or he could do those things to another dude?

Women fetishize gay men and watch gay porn, but may not be romantically attracted to a gay male partner.

I conjecture there are some men who see it as a kink and don't want to sexually identify with something that is fetish or a kink.

It just so happens, their fetish is our orientation.

Getting fucked by a man might be just as much a kink as getting pegged for some men. But pegging is not a sexual orientation so it's no confusion about it since there is no overlap with a sexual orientation.
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PostPosted: 5 hrs ago    Post subject: Can a man be straight and just fetishize gay sex?

11 hrs ago

All I know is that if they engage more than 3 times... they AIN'T straight. 🤷🏿‍♂️🏌🏿‍♂️

You can engage in a fetish as many times as time will allow.
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PostPosted: 11 hrs ago    Post subject: Can a man be straight and just fetishize gay sex?

Do some of these men not come out because ultimately, homosexual sex is a fetish for them?

Is there an overlap between homosexual orientation and erotic orientation of fetisization of having sex with a man?

What if getting sloppy toppy from a man is a fetish? Are they truly gay?

What if trans women are a fetish for DL men?
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PostPosted: 1 days ago    Post subject: The Gay Agenda [Emasculation of Black Men]

https://www.instagram.com/p/CL9tUBqBfE9/?igshid=1qe529w8yrdud
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PostPosted: 1 days ago    Post subject: Do We Give Up On Some Black People?

Get into Charisse. brilliant @dsh40k 18:14 on. Racial uplift, moral suasion.

https://youtu.be/odxKMC0Dg9c

She talks about class and race.

Brilliant sister!
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PostPosted: 1 days ago    Post subject: Do We Give Up On Some Black People?

3 days ago

Black people also take for granted the severity of our condition. Or else, class issues wouldn't matter.

Most blacks don't see themselves as a part of the same race when we are apart of a different class. Black men are anti-woman and anti-gay, black lgbt have been turned against our own people by our own people's colonized mentality, black women are anti-black man because of the corruption of black masculininity. The middle ( working class) and petit Bourgeoisie look down on the ghettoization of black inner city.

Most blacks have no understanding of these issues and how they work. I, at least, attempt to read and compare academics and experts' findings against my reality instead of using ridiculous phrases like "white supremacy" and "structural racism" without knowing what these things are.

A lot of us have been intentionally miseducated due to corporations (whites) controlling information. That is why is was through the independent media like yt channels that I found out about Dr. Claud and others.

For example, you can't talk about the financial condition of blacks without talking to or referencing the experts. Most black scholarship that is mainstream is pseudohistorical or ahistorical that delves into conspiracy theories. But superstition is all you have when have no real analysis.

https://youtu.be/j8-vlmL61DU

^Gotta talk to an expert like mehrsa

https://youtu.be/v68Twalbd04

^ @dsh40k. You concerned about ghettoization and crime in the so-called inner city", right? Well, how did the inner city become what it is and why blacks responsible for what federal gov did? This is rhetorical, of course. A lot of blacks are burdened with the bootstrap, meritocracy myth of America. Blacks are caught up in the matrix of color blindness, abstract liberalism, and competitive individualism.

Concepts like "equality" and "equal opportunity" are abstract and have no legal meaning. Blacks are mislead.

https://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/fl-xpm-1989-04-18-8901200335-story.html

^Can't talk about drugs without talking about how the sheriff department cooked crack and put it on the street.

You can't look at shit like that and think the same way about blacks issues. They are out to get all blacks. But blacks have made a race issue a class issue with gender and sexuality. Those are class issues that can affect people outside of the black experience. It's amorphous and does not deal with anything that is the root problem which is economic.

Blacks are so fucked up and socially engineered to be anti-competitive, we resent intelligent blacks. We resented Ice Cube who is basically putting into practice what the great Dr. Claud said: He said "whoever the candidate is, you make sure you ask them and demand of them they do something specifically for blacks. Partisanship is not a blacks issue, racism is". Blacks read him for talking with Trump because we are programmed to be partisan.

Blacks are afraid to demand anything specifically for us because we know it will never pass because racism is ultimately and foundationally anti-black first and foremost.

Blacks as a collective are impoverished, so there is no leaving anyone behind because relative to white society, we are impoverished.

All the Oprahs and LeBrons do not give blacks a boost because whites still own close to 100% of anything of value so you will always acquiesce to their will.

All black banks combined only have like 10 billion on assets. How much does Chase have? Bank of America (Italian, immigrant bank)? Italians were discriminated against too. What happened? How did they succeed? The expansion of "whiteness" included them and not you.

I can't get mad at the hood anymore since I know it's so much bigger.

A lot of this so-called black homophobia is really anti-blackness because by blacks saying that being sgl is a "white mans disease", they are giving whites more freedom than they give themselves. Even in gayness, whites are seen as better. I bet a white gay would be treated better than men by my own people. I have seen that as well.

It's almost insulting to talk to black because we don't know or try to find out anything.

1 days ago

Your comments hit me as if I do not know anything or have not read any of the articles/books/papers you have.

I am well aware of all you say. However, I do live in a hood and I do see the machinations the whites have put into play and how they manifest in myriad ways among Black people.

What you fail to realize, Black people, who perpetrate the self-hate, are possessed of a brain and fail to do critical thinking. Rather, they live for the moment and refuse to step out of that comfort zone. I see those that do and they flower like the most beautiful of plants. I mean, from broken homes and sad nigga fathers or none at all. Mom is a ho/crackhead/meth head/hood rat/she boon... Take your pick. Somehow, they were possessed of an inner strength to change for the better rather than wallow in shit.

I am tired and I no long wish to discuss this as I feel like I am screaming in the wind and my voice ricochets back at me.

Well, it was not meant that way. It was general statement of how blacks do not have an effective strategy of dealing with this because the necessary ground is not covered. You have to cover everything....everything that has anything to do with the issue. It must be forensic. From financial aspects, criminal justice, etc.

Again, blacks are completely locked out of the mainstream economy by design. You can have all the will you want, but you have no resources. Blacks have no generational wealth. For instance, in the mind of Moynihan, let's just make all black men the heads of household(gender issue). How does that matter when the black man is locked out of the mainstream economy and does not have resources to provide?

We don't have any boots or straps to pull up.

Did you not see that Italians, Jews, Irish and even Chinese, South Asians, and Arabs have been included in the mainstream economy and they have been here less time? Not because they have "more will", it is because they were included in the concept of whiteness.

You almost have to believe in innate black inferiority to believe that it is a matter of innate "will" as if blacks just don't have it written in our DNA. The fact that you are an intelligent black man but live and/or work in the hood or close enough proximity that the bulk of your experience is negative should tell you how most blacks are simply locked out of the mainstream economy.

If blacks were to do "better" and move out the hood, where would we go? All the resources are concentrated in white communities. Whites will move and the property values will go down and it will turn into another ghetto.

Your resources are dictated by property taxes, and since we are under a neoliberal agenda, corporations are given tax breaks. Blacks don't own property at enough value for taxes to make a difference in the quality of life.

Mehrsa said, this not burden blacks should bear; It is the result of federal policy.

Not only that, but it costs more to be poor which is a method to further extract resources from blacks and give them nothing in return. That is the central issue, nothing else. Everything, including black pathology, is completely ancillary and non-frictional.
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PostPosted: 1 days ago    Post subject: Do We Give Up On Some Black People?

Black people also take for granted the severity of our condition. Or else, class issues wouldn't matter.

Most blacks don't see themselves as a part of the same race when we are apart of a different class. Black men are anti-woman and anti-gay, black lgbt have been turned against our own people by our own people's colonized mentality, black women are anti-black man because of the corruption of black masculininity. The middle ( working class) and petit Bourgeoisie look down on the ghettoization of black inner city.

Most blacks have no understanding of these issues and how they work. I, at least, attempt to read and compare academics and experts' findings against my reality instead of using ridiculous phrases like "white supremacy" and "structural racism" without knowing what these things are.

A lot of us have been intentionally miseducated due to corporations (whites) controlling information. That is why is was through the independent media like yt channels that I found out about Dr. Claud and others.

For example, you can't talk about the financial condition of blacks without talking to or referencing the experts. Most black scholarship that is mainstream is pseudohistorical or ahistorical that delves into conspiracy theories. But superstition is all you have when have no real analysis.

https://youtu.be/j8-vlmL61DU

^Gotta talk to an expert like mehrsa

https://youtu.be/v68Twalbd04

^ @dsh40k. You concerned about ghettoization and crime in the so-called inner city", right? Well, how did the inner city become what it is and why blacks responsible for what federal gov did? This is rhetorical, of course. A lot of blacks are burdened with the bootstrap, meritocracy myth of America. Blacks are caught up in the matrix of color blindness, abstract liberalism, and competitive individualism.

Concepts like "equality" and "equal opportunity" are abstract and have no legal meaning. Blacks are mislead.

https://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/fl-xpm-1989-04-18-8901200335-story.html

^Can't talk about drugs without talking about how the sheriff department cooked crack and put it on the street.

You can't look at shit like that and think the same way about blacks issues. They are out to get all blacks. But blacks have made a race issue a class issue with gender and sexuality. Those are class issues that can affect people outside of the black experience. It's amorphous and does not deal with anything that is the root problem which is economic.

Blacks are so fucked up and socially engineered to be anti-competitive, we resent intelligent blacks. We resented Ice Cube who is basically putting into practice what the great Dr. Claud said: He said "whoever the candidate is, you make sure you ask them and demand of them they do something specifically for blacks. Partisanship is not a blacks issue, racism is". Blacks read him for talking with Trump because we are programmed to be partisan.

Blacks are afraid to demand anything specifically for us because we know it will never pass because racism is ultimately and foundationally anti-black first and foremost.

Blacks as a collective are impoverished, so there is no leaving anyone behind because relative to white society, we are impoverished.

All the Oprahs and LeBrons do not give blacks a boost because whites still own close to 100% of anything of value so you will always acquiesce to their will.

All black banks combined only have like 10 billion on assets. How much does Chase have? Bank of America (Italian, immigrant bank)? Italians were discriminated against too. What happened? How did they succeed? The expansion of "whiteness" included them and not you.

I can't get mad at the hood anymore since I know it's so much bigger.

A lot of this so-called black homophobia is really anti-blackness because by blacks saying that being sgl is a "white mans disease", they are giving whites more freedom than they give themselves. Even in gayness, whites are seen as better. I bet a white gay would be treated better than men by my own people. I have seen that as well.

It's almost insulting to talk to black because we don't know or try to find out anything.
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PostPosted: 2 days ago    Post subject: Do We Give Up On Some Black People?

Maybe it's all in your head @dsh40k
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PostPosted: 2 days ago    Post subject: Straight men Having Sex with Men-Erotic vs Sexual Orientatio

I think I have it but it's complicated!

A so-called "straight man" is probably a gynosexual with either an erotic and sexual orientation towards females, feminine presenting males and mtf trans. Or a sexual orientation exclusively toward women but an erotic orientation toward feminine people or as they call it, a "fetish".

Anything that is non-procreative is a fetish. You have to separate people who have orientation and who have fetishes or erotic orientations.

This is off the top of my head but it's convoluted so they call themselves "straight" as a euphemism for "normative".

Androsexuals are attracted to masculinity, but very few, I think, identify as straight. Most of the men who do simply don't care to complicate things cuz they probably feel it's not much difference between his role with a trans girl, a fem, or fucking butch studs 😂 You also need to keep in mind "bi-erasure" and how men who identify as bisexual are just gay to society so that term makes them uncomfortable.
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PostPosted: 2 days ago    Post subject: Straight men Having Sex with Men-Erotic vs Sexual Orientatio

https://lgbtqstudiesintro.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/trade-wolves-and-the-boundaries-of-normal-manhood.pdf

@dsh40k

Might answer some questions. Put it in your library. But I wish they had a black perspective, even though I think Chauncey does covers blacks. The main focus is early N.Y. immigrant men, gay sex, and straight identification in the early 20th century.

Some men have always identified as straight and had gay sex.

https://cypheravenue.com/richard-pryor-openly-dated-a-transgender-woman/

^get into Richard Pryor.

Blacks don't know about their own kind smh. Our icons Miles and Dizzy He talked about it in his book.

Blacks don't have REAL conversations about sexuality..I bet u can find yourself somewhere in history. Its no "agenda" or magical shit behind this. If I can find info, then other blacks can do so too!
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PostPosted: 3 days ago    Post subject: Do We Give Up On Some Black People?

What are the two biggest insults for a black man:

You got a lil dick or you're gay

Can't get around those two lol.

The lil dick part you can't change but the gay shit......

Men are not honest about these subtle vulnerabilities so all people see is bad behavior.
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PostPosted: 3 days ago    Post subject: Do We Give Up On Some Black People?

3 days ago

As much as we may discuss the challenges Black people face living in these United States, it seems as if some Black people just don't get it or refuse to.

Toxic masculinity poisons the Black community to such an extent that it is impossible to have even a conversation regarding viable alternatives to loving. From DL to Bi to feminine bottoms, there seems to be a lot in the way of broaching these subjects without utter rejection or threatened violence. Black women also seem to wield immense influence over what a Black man is supposed to be (as pointed out by Puddn2.0). Where to begin a dialogue or do we even bother?


Are the barriers too difficult to breach?

Leaving Black people, who are not interested in changing the narrative regarding how Black men and women are viewed within the community is one that I have played devil's advocate for many years. I think we should discuss this as the more things seem to change, the more they remain the same and, it seems, the Black community has regressed.

Your opinion is valued.

3 days ago

You gotta start with the truth. It is UGLY but real. That is why i listened to that guys' podcast and will email him to ask if guys can question him. He gives a real perspective on sexuality and the black community.

1. It is my opinion that the bulk of black men who are sgl are bisexual. This is consistent with science that most people are bisexual at some level and not exclusively homosexual

2. Bisexuality is erased in men and since black women, by virtue of the tenets of heterosexuality, have passive power by men needing to sleep with them to prove their masculinity, a lot of men will stay closeted to keep access to at least a "healthier" relationship that is not stigmatized. This is where the DL comes in. gay and trans relationships become fetishes due to the extreme stigmatization.

3. Black women are competitive and don't want to invite more competition from gay men and trans women. They feel unfeminine enough due to racist tropes.

4. Blacks don't have enough information about pre-colonial sgl AFRICAN history to counteract the slavery-rape narrative of how homosexuality is expressed among indigenous black culture. I have said previously, there is no history, prior to the European, in which homosexuals and trans were burned or executed in any indigenous culture.\

All of these factors make masculinity toxic. It has to be de-acculturated.

3 days ago

I agree. You have said this ad nauseum, however. Do you believe we should leave some Black people alone, like if there was a ship of humanity and you get to choose who gets on, would you leave any Black people behind?

Hmmm that's hard.

I feel like, in essence, we are all on a ship by virtue of skin color. You are on steam, skin color team. So you can't really separate yourself from your race or leave some blacks because what happened/is happening to them has happen to you.

I have been thinking of this as someone who is exiled from the black community in a sense due to sexuality. I wish I could have become like a purple person. Lol

Black people don't understand racism, which is the biggest factor, so understanding sexuality is a lot.

One thing I do think we need is not separation, but a black think tank to analyze these issues. The best and the brightest is social science and psychology need to have a rational dialogue about the consequences and implications of holding on to certain behaviors. That's why with most of my criticism, I have some type of scholarly journal to boost and give context so I can't b accused of creating narrative that anti-black, but I get accused of being anti-black and anti-male anyway.

There is no self- critique about the far reaching consequences of the maladaptation to racism. Like the guy on podcast said, cis black women want me to be "out" and honest but they do not foster dialog with men about that because they really don't want that lol. Why would I invite more competition. Men know this, they know their masculinity is precarious, so they stay DL and in fetish space because it's simply not worth it to do otherwise.

Thats why in the other thread I asked about your level of disclosure, not to snide, but I just never see black men who are masc presenting volunteering that info. When you look at the gay community, the large majority want to maintain bad much normalcy as possible. DL and discreet culture is the "norm" because it is normalizing. Having an open dialog even on the internet is even difficult. A lot of times black men have developed defense mechanism to protect against threats to masculinity. They completely shut the convo down. You don't see too many out black masculine celebs. If you don't run in specific circles, you probably won't see that.

Its to the point where the PR is so strong and so nearly unanimous, until I assume most black masculine men are straight or closeted. I don't approach with assumption that they have the capability to be anything else.

A major thing is the lack of space and opportunity black men have to have manize themselves. The discourse surrounding them and their sexuality, intentions, and capabilities are left to the interpretation of the ones most negatively impacted---black women and black homosexuals.

I guarantee 90% of the niggas that I had problems with wanted these guts lol.

People can only judge by what you are allowed to present.

I think we have to learn that black men, although extremely abusive, generally have very little control over their image or sexuality. Everything is regulated by proximity to hypermasculine heterosexuality.

A reasonable dialog can change everything.

Like I said, black men are largely silent about the issues that affect and when they act out, we blame them.

I try to that on here but they can't even do it anonymously.

Another twisted thing is, a lot of black men are hurt, act out, then want understanding and consideration for their plight but their behavior turns people against them. Then you get accused to being anti black when you crticize smh..

Black women are the key to opening the dialog cuz black men ultimately are performing for them and to stay in their good graces. Women have power over masculinity due to the heterosexual construct. Idc if you fuck 1 or 1000, no matter what you do, what a woman endorses in men is what he will do. That is why there is confusion about the concept of "toxic masculinity" because this toxic traits are cultivated not just by men but by women.

If a nigga was bi, it wouldnt matter if other niggas talked down to him as long as women wanted him, he would still be considered masculine since most men find masculinity in relationships with women. If they are cool, more dudes would be more healthy.
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PostPosted: 3 days ago    Post subject: Do We Give Up On Some Black People?

3 days ago

As much as we may discuss the challenges Black people face living in these United States, it seems as if some Black people just don't get it or refuse to.

Toxic masculinity poisons the Black community to such an extent that it is impossible to have even a conversation regarding viable alternatives to loving. From DL to Bi to feminine bottoms, there seems to be a lot in the way of broaching these subjects without utter rejection or threatened violence. Black women also seem to wield immense influence over what a Black man is supposed to be (as pointed out by Puddn2.0). Where to begin a dialogue or do we even bother?


Are the barriers too difficult to breach?

Leaving Black people, who are not interested in changing the narrative regarding how Black men and women are viewed within the community is one that I have played devil's advocate for many years. I think we should discuss this as the more things seem to change, the more they remain the same and, it seems, the Black community has regressed.

Your opinion is valued.

You gotta start with the truth. It is UGLY but real. That is why i listened to that guys' podcast and will email him to ask if guys can question him. He gives a real perspective on sexuality and the black community.

1. It is my opinion that the bulk of black men who are sgl are bisexual. This is consistent with science that most people are bisexual at some level and not exclusively homosexual

2. Bisexuality is erased in men and since black women, by virtue of the tenets of heterosexuality, have passive power by men needing to sleep with them to prove their masculinity, a lot of men will stay closeted to keep access to at least a "healthier" relationship that is not stigmatized. This is where the DL comes in. gay and trans relationships become fetishes due to the extreme stigmatization.

3. Black women are competitive and don't want to invite more competition from gay men and trans women. They feel unfeminine enough due to racist tropes.

4. Blacks don't have enough information about pre-colonial sgl AFRICAN history to counteract the slavery-rape narrative of how homosexuality is expressed among indigenous black culture. I have said previously, there is no history, prior to the European, in which homosexuals and trans were burned or executed in any indigenous culture.\

All of these factors make masculinity toxic. It has to be de-acculturated.
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5 days ago

Discreet men will tell you, who they are and that they are into SG men, but keep their business to themselves. I am wondering why this would even be a puzzle.

4 days ago

Because there are still plenty of peeps that say they're discreet but act more dl and vice versa.

4 days ago

They are called liars. The end.

3 days ago

So you're calling dl and discreet men liars?

3 days ago

DL is quite different from discreet. Discreet dudes will tell you they are SGL men. DL dudes lie and swear they are straight.

3 days ago

But, in all your years of being discreet(i am assuming), when has anyone questioned your sexuality in the general straight world? By that little condition not happening or happening less often, really kind of puts discreet men back into the DL category since both discreet and DL essentially have the same mission.....survival.

3 days ago

No, it does not. I have been questioned about my sexuality and have answered to the affirmative. I think people mix up liars with genuine discreet persons just as they do bi, verse and top Laughing

In what context were you "questioned" about your sexuality?
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5 days ago

Discreet men will tell you, who they are and that they are into SG men, but keep their business to themselves. I am wondering why this would even be a puzzle.

4 days ago

Because there are still plenty of peeps that say they're discreet but act more dl and vice versa.

4 days ago

They are called liars. The end.

3 days ago

So you're calling dl and discreet men liars?

3 days ago

DL is quite different from discreet. Discreet dudes will tell you they are SGL men. DL dudes lie and swear they are straight.

But, in all your years of being discreet(i am assuming), when has anyone questioned your sexuality in the general straight world? By that little condition not happening or happening less often, really kind of puts discreet men back into the DL category since both discreet and DL essentially have the same mission.....survival.
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5 days ago

Discreet men will tell you, who they are and that they are into SG men, but keep their business to themselves. I am wondering why this would even be a puzzle.

4 days ago

Because there are still plenty of peeps that say they're discreet but act more dl and vice versa.

4 days ago

Exactly. There is a lot of overlap in their behavior.

When is the right time to disclose sexuality? I mean, both DL and discreet have to disclose their sexuality at a certain point that's if they want sex, that is.

"He will tell you"? What does that mean?

To me, the main difference is sexuality. A lot more DL men are bisexual in my opinion because disclosing sexuality can lead to him being discarded by women. Masc gay men, in my opinion, are often discreet.

They both are DL by default due to the requirement of them being masculine. People say the difference is disclosure but most often times, if it's out of sight, it is out of mind. Since people don't make the assumption you are gay, the question never comes up. Also, since black men tend to create an element of fear surrounding them being implicated in homosexuality, people tend to shy away from discussions with black men concerning homosexuality.

Both live under the assumption of being hetero (not their fault, that is just how society's binary has categorized men), so we don't know when or if a man will even be in a situation, outside of the obviousness of dating,
where he would be confronted by a question of his sexuality. So, the only thing I see that is different is the relationship status. Because, if you want to "not put your business out there', then logically, you will fall into DL-adjacent behavior. The only difference between DL and discreet is DL men are generally heteronormative and have stronger ties to hetero lifestyle, while a discreet is probably gonna be single, if he is bisexual, and not disclose his sexuality to his female dating partners since it's not necessary when you are not in a committed relationship. A gay masc discreet probably has it harder since they are tied to gay community more strongly due to the dating pool being all men. Gay discreet may seek DL bi men due to an alignment of philosophy about disclosure and masculinity.

Hope that made sense. 😂

3 days ago

So true and that's why the rationale of gay men claiming they have had sex with straight men before is somewhat true because a lot of these men are straight to society but dl to gay community. For example, Dl dudes have a threesome where girl is involved to cover up the rationale that they're still getting their dick sucked or sucking dudes dick while fucking ole girl's pussy face down in the bed or eating her pussy while letting dude fuck them or getting head themselves. So in their minds that's them getting what they want regardless of them claiming gay or bi sexual because they think they're straight because they're fucking with the girl and you're just fucking with them.

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PostPosted: 3 days ago    Post subject: The next guy will have less baggage.

7 days ago

Black men need to normalize healing, therapy, and self care.

6 days ago

You saying that, but I bet you everything that you get the wettest for the ones who are the most fucked up..😋

6 days ago

It’s all I know 😢😢😢

5 days ago

Why do you feel compelled to tell black men to fix what you seem to love most about them? Smile

5 days ago

I never said that’s what I love most about them!

I’m just saying the men I’ve dated could have benefited from therapy. I feel like all black ppl would. But it’s taboo in the black community, mainly for men, to seek help with their emotional wellness and mental health.

I suggested my S.O. seek therapy and his response was “why can’t I just come to my girl for that?”

And I feel like that’s common...I’ve had convos with friends and my mom about exes and relationships and therapy (couples, for ourselves, or our previous partner) and the general consensus was it would have been beneficial for all parties involved.

5 days ago

I think we all could benefit from a collective healing, but to be more direct, I think the issues we have as a people (black men, black women, gay, straight or trans) go much deeper than what traditional therapy offers. A therapist will have you on the couch for a year talking about surface shit without getting to the root cause. Therapy can be a helpful tool, but it isn't the be all and end all that people make it out to be.

5 days ago

What deeper issues?

4 days ago

The effects of slavery and systemic racism on the black psyche.

4 days ago

Which are almost 100% economic.

4 days ago

You and your percentages..🙄

4 days ago

Yep.

Simply for a point of reference. You take it so literally smh

4 days ago

No, I take it as someone trying to give the appearance of fostering a weighty dialog, but who hides behind arbitrary "percentages" that have no meaning instead of just owning that you feel the way you do because of your own personal drama..Smile

4 days ago

Ok.

But come up with something brother. At least I have an analysis. You have nothing but a cape.

4 days ago

You're talking in riddles. Don't know what you mean, and if you don't care to say it directly, I don't care to figure it out..Smile

3 days ago

You do too much fucking around, gaslighting and sarcasm to hide your caping.

That's why we never could engage in meaningful dialogue.

3 days ago

I do just fine with most people here in the forum. I have little to no use for you, but that doesn't mean I won't engage with you if you come to the table with good intentions. But you never do. And you are the one who insists on quoting me, sooooooooo.....

3 days ago

So immature. smh

3 days ago

I hope that means I have escaped your radar once and for all..

But you will still enter my threads, read them, and get your life.

I bet you can't go one week without at least dropping in, even if you don't respond.

How do you think you have figured out my "intentions" so well?

Study from a distance or from a troll account.

One final thought. I notice you mentioned systemic racism, but what do you really know about the system or racism? Be blessed, daughter.
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PostPosted: 3 days ago    Post subject: The next guy will have less baggage.

7 days ago

Black men need to normalize healing, therapy, and self care.

6 days ago

You saying that, but I bet you everything that you get the wettest for the ones who are the most fucked up..😋

6 days ago

It’s all I know 😢😢😢

5 days ago

Why do you feel compelled to tell black men to fix what you seem to love most about them? Smile

5 days ago

I never said that’s what I love most about them!

I’m just saying the men I’ve dated could have benefited from therapy. I feel like all black ppl would. But it’s taboo in the black community, mainly for men, to seek help with their emotional wellness and mental health.

I suggested my S.O. seek therapy and his response was “why can’t I just come to my girl for that?”

And I feel like that’s common...I’ve had convos with friends and my mom about exes and relationships and therapy (couples, for ourselves, or our previous partner) and the general consensus was it would have been beneficial for all parties involved.

5 days ago

I think we all could benefit from a collective healing, but to be more direct, I think the issues we have as a people (black men, black women, gay, straight or trans) go much deeper than what traditional therapy offers. A therapist will have you on the couch for a year talking about surface shit without getting to the root cause. Therapy can be a helpful tool, but it isn't the be all and end all that people make it out to be.

5 days ago

What deeper issues?

4 days ago

The effects of slavery and systemic racism on the black psyche.

4 days ago

Which are almost 100% economic.

4 days ago

You and your percentages..🙄

4 days ago

Yep.

Simply for a point of reference. You take it so literally smh

4 days ago

No, I take it as someone trying to give the appearance of fostering a weighty dialog, but who hides behind arbitrary "percentages" that have no meaning instead of just owning that you feel the way you do because of your own personal drama..Smile

4 days ago

Ok.

But come up with something brother. At least I have an analysis. You have nothing but a cape.

4 days ago

You're talking in riddles. Don't know what you mean, and if you don't care to say it directly, I don't care to figure it out..Smile

3 days ago

You do too much fucking around, gaslighting and sarcasm to hide your caping.

That's why we never could engage in meaningful dialogue.

3 days ago

I do just fine with most people here in the forum. I have little to no use for you, but that doesn't mean I won't engage with you if you come to the table with good intentions. But you never do. And you are the one who insists on quoting me, sooooooooo.....

So immature. smh
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PostPosted: 3 days ago    Post subject: The next guy will have less baggage.

7 days ago

Black men need to normalize healing, therapy, and self care.

6 days ago

You saying that, but I bet you everything that you get the wettest for the ones who are the most fucked up..😋

6 days ago

It’s all I know 😢😢😢

5 days ago

Why do you feel compelled to tell black men to fix what you seem to love most about them? Smile

5 days ago

I never said that’s what I love most about them!

I’m just saying the men I’ve dated could have benefited from therapy. I feel like all black ppl would. But it’s taboo in the black community, mainly for men, to seek help with their emotional wellness and mental health.

I suggested my S.O. seek therapy and his response was “why can’t I just come to my girl for that?”

And I feel like that’s common...I’ve had convos with friends and my mom about exes and relationships and therapy (couples, for ourselves, or our previous partner) and the general consensus was it would have been beneficial for all parties involved.

5 days ago

I think we all could benefit from a collective healing, but to be more direct, I think the issues we have as a people (black men, black women, gay, straight or trans) go much deeper than what traditional therapy offers. A therapist will have you on the couch for a year talking about surface shit without getting to the root cause. Therapy can be a helpful tool, but it isn't the be all and end all that people make it out to be.

5 days ago

What deeper issues?

4 days ago

The effects of slavery and systemic racism on the black psyche.

4 days ago

Which are almost 100% economic.

4 days ago

You and your percentages..🙄

4 days ago

Yep.

Simply for a point of reference. You take it so literally smh

4 days ago

No, I take it as someone trying to give the appearance of fostering a weighty dialog, but who hides behind arbitrary "percentages" that have no meaning instead of just owning that you feel the way you do because of your own personal drama..Smile

4 days ago

Ok.

But come up with something brother. At least I have an analysis. You have nothing but a cape.

4 days ago

You're talking in riddles. Don't know what you mean, and if you don't care to say it directly, I don't care to figure it out..Smile

You do too much fucking around, gaslighting and sarcasm to hide your caping.

That's why we never could engage in meaningful dialogue.
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Nah. President Biden is a progressive and would be more inclined to go whole hog if the majority in Congress was in his favor. However, like President Roosevelt, Mr. Biden is in a unique circumstance as he is confronted by a lagging economy, pandemic, racial and political strife, with the latter tempting civil war. So, the president's early moves may resemble President Obama's, who fought recalcitrant republicans and, his own party at times.

Granted, with being in office only 5 weeks, the man needs time to really solidify his cabinet and other keystone positions, President Biden's agenda will tame more time to reveal itself.

Why had Obama chosen this elitist path? Another new book, “Goliath: The 100-Year War Between Monopoly Power and Democracy,” by the antimonopoly scholar Matt Stoller, provides a deeply researched answer. It boils down to this: Obama, like Bill Clinton before him, was the product of a Democratic Party that had forgotten its history and legacy. For much of the 20th century, Democrats’ fundamental politics involved fighting against concentrations of economic power in favor of the rights and liberties of ordinary people. “The fight has always been about whether monopolists run our world, or about whether we the people do,” Stoller writes.

But in the 1970s, ’80s and ’90s, as Stoller explains, Democrats altered their economic vision. They abandoned New Deal and Great Society liberalism in favor of a new dogma that came to be known as neoliberalism — a view of society in which markets and financial instruments, rather than government policy and direct intervention, are seen as the best way to achieve social ends.

Obama’s biggest ideas were neoliberal: The Affordable Care Act, his greatest domestic policy achievement, improved access to health care by altering private health-insurance markets. Obama aimed to address the climate crisis by setting up a market for carbon, and his plan for improving education focused on technocratic, standards-based reform. Even Obama’s historical icons were neoliberal — the neoliberals’ patron saint being Alexander Hamilton, the elitist, banker-friendly founding father who would be transformed, in Obama’s neoliberal Camelot, into a beloved immigrant striver with very good flow.

It is tricky to criticize Obama from the left in the Trump era. There’s still widespread nostalgia and good feeling for Obama as a political figure — and, considering the disaster of the current administration, it feels almost churlish to re-examine his years in office. There are also a range of good defenses for Obama’s policies. “I have no doubt that when historians look back on the Obama years, he will and should be given credit for preventing a second Great Depression,” Christina Romer, one of the advisers who had pushed for much greater stimulus, told me.

Obama’s policies were also perfectly in line with prevailing orthodoxy — it’s likely that Hillary Clinton would have pursued similar measures if she’d won the 2008 primary. It is also worth noting that, ahem, parts of the punditocracy shared his market-fetishizing philosophy: I wrote skeptically of antitrust prosecution against Google in 2009, 2010, and 2015.

But that’s exactly why I found Stoller’s book so insightful. The long history of Democratic populism is unknown to most liberals today. Only now, in the age of Sanders and Warren and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, are we beginning to relearn the lessons of the past. For at least three decades, neoliberalism has brought the left economic half-measures and political despair. It’s time to demand more.


https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/18/opinion/obama-2008-financial-crisis.html

What do you think?
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PostPosted: 3 days ago    Post subject: Is Biden another Neoliberal President?

At the most chaotic juncture in Iraq’s civil war, a new law is unveiled that would allow Shell and BP to claim the country’s vast oil reserves…. Immediately following September 11, the Bush Administration quietly out-sources the running of the “War on Terror” to Halliburton and Blackwater…. After a tsunami wipes out the coasts of Southeast Asia, the pristine beaches are auctioned off to tourist resorts.... New Orleans’s residents, scattered from Hurricane Katrina, discover that their public housing, hospitals and schools will never be reopened…. These events are examples of “the shock doctrine”: using the public’s disorientation following massive collective shocks – wars, terrorist attacks, or natural disasters -- to achieve control by imposing economic shock therapy. Sometimes, when the first two shocks don’t succeed in wiping out resistance, a third shock is employed: the electrode in the prison cell or the Taser gun on the streets.


https://tsd.naomiklein.org/shock-doctrine.html
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PostPosted: 3 days ago    Post subject: Is discreet just being DL without the female significant oth

5 days ago

I don't wear a sign on my back saying I am SGL, and people who meet me would probably not assume I am gay, but I consider myself open and OUT. I don't keep my sexuality a secret, when asked or when the subject comes up in conversation or my sexual orientation is otherwise relevant like on job applications, etc. People who know me, know I am gay.

I don't consider myself discreet; so I cannot answer your question.

when asked or when the subject comes up in conversation

If you are masc-presenting, how often do people just inquire about your sexuality?

I'm fem on body and soul and people don't ask lol For one, it's obvious, for two, its inappropriate in general conversation.

The caveat is, both DL and discreet are differentiated by people due to how they respond to inquiry about their sexuality, but if the question never comes up, what makes their behavior different at that point?

Men of color typically lend themselves to out of sight out of mind. If it's out of sight....This is why masc presentation is a central feature for both so there is in all probability an overlap in their behavior.
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3 days ago

I see they knew who approach for the most extreme reactions 😏

“In The Hood” my ass. That’s a nice ass hood. They need to come to the REAL HOOD. Let’s see what will happen pulling that prank on real hood niggas in the projects.

3 days ago

hmmmm

some of them niggas gonna go!

3 days ago

Not being approached like that lol

They did the same with white fish and when I tell you AAAAWWWWLLL of the niggas was ready to go right then and there hunny lol.

She was gonna do it in the middle of the street and they were still down lol
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https://open.spotify.com/episode/6aTC5TU5keWJuwYjwqgnXj?si=tMIuMIjzTluScN97MN9xmw&utm_source=copy-link

Plausible deniability is the ability of people, typically senior officials in a formal or informal chain of command, to deny knowledge of or responsibility for any damnable actions committed by others in an organizational hierarchy because of a lack or absence of evidence that can confirm their participation, even if they were personally involved in or at least willfully ignorant of the actions. If illegal or otherwise-disreputable and unpopular activities become public, high-ranking officials may deny any awareness of such acts to insulate themselves and shift the blame onto the agents who carried out the acts, as they are confident that their doubters will be unable to prove otherwise. The lack of evidence to the contrary ostensibly makes the denial plausible (credible), but sometimes, it makes the denial only unactionable.
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10 days ago

Son: Mom...dad...I have something to tell you. Don't look so horrified, it's not what you think. I'm not gay. I'm not attracted to men. I just love having sex with men

Dad: Whew! You had me really worried. I knew were walking with a limp for a reason. So it turns out that your are getting fucked in the ass by men, but its strictly for your own pleasure, no love or attraction involved at all?

Son: Yes, that's right.

Dad: Thank God!!! I thought you were going to tell me you were in love with a man and wanted to get married. I was about to throw you the fuck out of my house, change the locks, and call my lawyer to change my will. But since this is only about your desire to get fucked in the ass with no love or physical attraction involved, its all good! Carry on!

Mom: I do think it's about time you learned how to wash your own underwear.

10 days ago

What I found among the men who participated was that they seemingly took
pains to distance themselves from thinking of themselves as gay or of being
JOURNAL OF BISEXUALITY 493 considered gay or bisexual. Their responses were strikingly similar to the men who were interviewed by Reback and Larkins (2010). That is, they did not find their same-sex behavior as necessarily discrepant with their straight sexual identity because these behaviors were infrequent, casual, impersonal, or recreational in nature. One of the surprising aspects of the Pathela et al. (2006) study was the straightforward way in which the respondents would identify themselves as
straight and then admit to having sex with other men, without seeming to worry about this apparent contradiction. Part of the motivation for the present study was to flesh this dynamic out. Based on the interviews, it is apparent that for at least some of the men who participated, there is no contradiction involved because they rarely defined ‘gay’ or ‘bisexual’ so broadly as to include their own behavior.

Instead, the participants typically defined ‘gay’ and ‘bisexual’ in narrow ways that did not include themselves, thus creating distance.
Richard retains his straight identity because of the infrequency of his same-sex experiences: “Because of my experiences in life, I have little experience in homosexual behavior and so it’s mostly heterosexual behavior, so I, yeah, that’s why I, it’s more tendency for me to have sex with women than guys.”

Donald defines gay as one who engages strictly with the same sex:
Like I said earlier, I think it’s just, you know, if you’re just having sex strictly with guys, that’s what I would, I would consider that to be gay. Just having sex with guys. If you’re having sex with women and an occasional guy, but mainly women, I would still consider them straight.

As Rasheed put it:
And then the other part of me being straight is, the majority of my sexual relations, my sexual thinking, and my sexual being has to do with a woman. See, straight, to me basically means that the majority of my thoughts are about women

In the discussion below, Matthew makes it clear that he sees the label of bisexual as stigmatized and therefore he doesn’t choose it for himself. Notably, he remarks that the label “down low” is less stigmatized and he could identify with that term.
No, no. It’s almost like you’re admitting to something. You’re admitting—you’re putting a stamp on your life, you know what I mean? I don’t like labels. Or anything like labels. Basically, that’s it. The labeling and stuff like that. I would just rather say that I consider myself heterosexual, but I also have sex with men too. I don’t want to be categorized as bisexual or homosexual or a gay person, you know? But the street term, down low, you
know, pretty much everybody understands that, you can deal with that.


I’ve never ever been attracted to another man. Never. I’m only there for the sex. So attracted? No. Not me. I mean I like you, you cool, but love? Want to be with you on the regular basis? Spend the night every night? Eat, you know, wake up, eat breakfast, dinner, lunch? No. No. It’s time for you to go. [laughs]

10 days ago

So, these faggot ass MFs is opportunists for sex. 🤣 🤣 🤣
They still homo! Neutral

9 days ago

That's why a lot of black men are closeted.

A lot of our men think this way.

New frontier lol

9 days ago

O, so placate these niggas just like they mommas do. See how that turned out. FOH.

These nigga need to get the truth right between the eyes. If they cannot handle the it, fuck them. Fr fr.

MFs are complicit with STDs and worse, running from dude to woman and back again.

Sugar coating is just that and will end up with more problems. It is akin to the mother rewarding their sons/daughters for bad behavior. The children still end up fucked up beyond all recognition.

9 days ago

They don't feel represented. They will stay closeted, unfortunately.

I'm not privy to these men like you are. Maybe if you talk their language or find out how they see themselves.

I wish @dalasthoodnikka would come here. He has sex with masculine men and does not identify as gay or bi.

4 days ago

OK ill answer this, I think to a degree what that this concept is true, but I dont think it goes across orientation lines at all. I think its one of those things that is so individualized, it can't be contributed as an attribute to any group of people. People have sexual fantasies that they would never act on, that may have absolutely nothing to do with their orientation. I dont think this is the right scope to draw parallels between dl men, and non dl men, or even straight men or gay men, or even straight men and women.

Theres some freaky shit I like, that u might think is terrible. I see this all the time. I have known niggas who hate getting head, I have known females who are turned on by effeminate men, look at how much pussy rick james and prince got during their lives.

I think its possible for a str8 man to have a gay fantasy, I think its possible for a gay man to have fantasies about women. I knew a dude 100% gay and considered himself a "bottom" yet all he watched was straight and lesbian porn. He hated gay porn lol. Only because he was more aroused by the elements that tend to be in those types of porn, that are often absent in gay porn. (backstory, more sensual behavior)

DL men and the elements that drive them, much like non DL men and the element that drive them, are not products of sex. to believe anything else wud be like say men ONLY think with their dicks, which is not true.

hope that explains it

Thank you for your response, brudda.

I have heard women say they like to watch gay porn but I dont think they would date a gay man, they just like the passionate sex we have.
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3 days ago

I see they knew who approach for the most extreme reactions 😏

“In The Hood” my ass. That’s a nice ass hood. They need to come to the REAL HOOD. Let’s see what will happen pulling that prank on real hood niggas in the projects.

hmmmm

some of them niggas gonna go!
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PostPosted: 3 days ago    Post subject: Is discreet just being DL without the female significant oth

5 days ago

discreet and do are pretty much the same thing. if you want to split hairs, discreet means they dont want to put their behavior, DL can imply that they are ashamed of what they are doing I think both can say that there is a significant other.

4 days ago

Stop defining others and worry about doing you....

3 days ago

I'm answering the question that OP asked. Personally, I avoid DL and discreet men, as I dont want to be murdered.

3 days ago

Murdered how and why?

3 days ago

I'm scared of someone retaliating because I'm not discreet or DL enough for them, So I avoid them. Now, I'm not walking around farting rainbows and saying guuuuuuuuuuuuurll every other sentence, but I am not ashamed of who I am, and that has spooked some guys, even in private.

no more of that shit for me.

Why do they become spooked?
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PostPosted: 4 days ago    Post subject: The Gay Agenda [Emasculation of Black Men]

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Forum :  Topic : My2tt: What's a real life example of a "classy fem guy"?

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PostPosted: 4 days ago    Post subject:

6 days ago

I have been with a few. They are either not settled in their life yet (read: too young) or still seeking approval from their parents. The second one is the hardest to deal with.

Classy fem description:
Pretty all over
Always well groomed, like even when they wake up
Keeps arguments at home, never on the street
Picks their battles
Lip gloss always on deck
Usually smart af but "lets" the top be the big dog
Chooses her man
Loves gender roles
Does NOT want to see any fem characteristics in her top
Kisses are like "Whoa!"

4 days ago

You could have just @ me

Kmsl

This was a ki.
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Forum :  Topic : Is discreet just being DL without the female significant oth

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5 days ago

Discreet men will tell you, who they are and that they are into SG men, but keep their business to themselves. I am wondering why this would even be a puzzle.

4 days ago

Because there are still plenty of peeps that say they're discreet but act more dl and vice versa.

Exactly. There is a lot of overlap in their behavior.

When is the right time to disclose sexuality? I mean, both DL and discreet have to disclose their sexuality at a certain point that's if they want sex, that is.

"He will tell you"? What does that mean?

To me, the main difference is sexuality. A lot more DL men are bisexual in my opinion because disclosing sexuality can lead to him being discarded by women. Masc gay men, in my opinion, are often discreet.

They both are DL by default due to the requirement of them being masculine. People say the difference is disclosure but most often times, if it's out of sight, it is out of mind. Since people don't make the assumption you are gay, the question never comes up. Also, since black men tend to create an element of fear surrounding them being implicated in homosexuality, people tend to shy away from discussions with black men concerning homosexuality.

Both live under the assumption of being hetero (not their fault, that is just how society's binary has categorized men), so we don't know when or if a man will even be in a situation, outside of the obviousness of dating,
where he would be confronted by a question of his sexuality. So, the only thing I see that is different is the relationship status. Because, if you want to "not put your business out there', then logically, you will fall into DL-adjacent behavior. The only difference between DL and discreet is DL men are generally heteronormative and have stronger ties to hetero lifestyle, while a discreet is probably gonna be single, if he is bisexual, and not disclose his sexuality to his female dating partners since it's not necessary when you are not in a committed relationship. A gay masc discreet probably has it harder since they are tied to gay community more strongly due to the dating pool being all men. Gay discreet may seek DL bi men due to an alignment of philosophy about disclosure and masculinity.

Hope that made sense. 😂
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Forum :  Topic : SGL Men-Women...

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PostPosted: 4 days ago    Post subject: SGL Men-Women...

7 days ago

...non-binary, so on and so forth...

Is still evolving and, as @puddn2pt0 has sagely pointed out, there are those who do not know of or do not connect to our community, for a myriad of reasons.

I do believe those of us, like DL, "straight acting", and men who have sex with men (I know, it all sound repetitive) will, at some point, access the SGL community. Attitudes are changing, albeit glacially, but changing nonetheless and I am hopeful that dialogues are sped up so that we can arrive at a place of commonality. Yes, it very well may mean that some or all, who do currently have sexual relations with SGL Black men reject wanting anything to do with the community. However, this thing is bigger than all of us.

Not having these conversations negatively affects federal, state and local $, employment, healthcare, law enforcement, education, access to capital, and myriad other resources for the larger Black community.

This is what happens when the truth is obfuscated.

7 days ago

Truth.

I'm all into this podcast because we need the DL side. We have heard the out gay and trans side. The only time we hear of/from the so-called straight identified DL man(which encompasses a lot of men), they are being outed or killing a trans woman. No humanity is given to these men but they are the nexus point between hetero and SGL black communities.

More men identify with them than I.

6 days ago

also wanted to point out that during the podcast, the woman brought up an interesting point. If a man and a woman are having sex and she penetrates the man, it is still considered hetero sex. The men accepted that. I thought that was enlightening.

6 days ago

Lol, that's the distinction between homosexuality and heterosexual sex...homo sex is all about who is the top and who is the bottom. Being the top is the equivalent of being the man, so being a top is a way gay men use to claim their manhood. That problem doesn't exist in heterosexual sex. A woman can stick a dildo up her man's ass 24/7, and he'll still be a man to him, her and everyone else, because it's about her pleasing her man. When a gay man gets anything put in his ass, it's about him being the woman in the dynamic...💯

6 days ago

Because it's two men.

Men can use our real dicks which implies arousal. Pegging is a kink, but homosexual sex is still problematic due to make arousal for another man.

5 days ago

That addresses how heterosexuals view homosexual sex. Does it mean that homosexuals have to view it the same way?

5 days ago

True, but vast majority of gay black culture, although subversive, has a hetero foundation. Society at large does not respect femininity in men. The vast majority of the gay black community feels the same way. Arousal for a man implies femininity for the top and it is obvious what is implied for the bottom.

You are a product of your environment, unless you are beneath the system like me and people like me, then you probably can't free your mind up a bit, but most black males, gay or straight, strive for the normative. Male-female is normative and anything that would subvert the sex roles would have to come from an outside source. The gift and the curse for gay men is we can subvert the roles using our own bodies and the sex acts can be similar to so-called hetero sex without the addition of a toy. This is why lesbians are not seen as having "real" sex. There is no real penis involved. What gay men have is "real". Our bodies are subversive, not an object brought from outside.

You have to realize, you live in such a phallic-centric and masculine dominated society, people don't take anything serious unless a real penis is involved and penetrating. The symbolism is supposed to be one of the ultimate expressions of masculinity. A lot of bottoms don't want a fem top for this reason.


Homosexuality is also seen as deviant as pedophilia.

5 days ago

Are your conclusions based strictly on your own opinion, your own experience, or documented data?

5 days ago

All of the above.

5 days ago

Any sources for the documented data?

5 days ago

Should be strewn about the board. I don't have time to look.

But most of it is common knowledge

Your own research should be rewarding, though.

But just to give you are start

https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C19&q=sex+roles+penetration+bottoms+masculinity+pegging&btnG=

Knock yourself out!

I want a FULL report with APA citations, and a literature review.

5 days ago

Do any of those touch on your proclamation regarding homosexuality and race? Smile

5 days ago

You should be able to come up with your own proclamation when you study.

I cant do everything for you, now.

5 days ago

You tried it...you are the one who said "most gay black people". I'm going to make the assumption that you don't know most gay black people, so I'm inquiring your source to make such a proclamation. Your opinion is not a valid source..Smile

5 days ago

Most, is not all.

4 days ago

How do you define most when you are referring to a population of people?

4 days ago

For every 8-9 out of 10 black Americans feel the way I stated.

80-90%

Hell, 75% of the entire gay community is prejudice against femininity. I conjecture as you analyze based on race, just in the black gay community, the number may increase to like 90%

Some 8-9 out of 10 black women are not going for anything that violates black mens masculinity. Idk why some of black men feel black women want them to be less masculine. No they want MORE MASCULINITY at toxic levels.

Most, is not all. Its teetering on "almost all"

4 days ago

Where is the data that substantiates that 80-90% of black Americans feel the way you claim?

4 days ago

I never said it was a fact.

I lead you to resources to read and formula your own opinion.

I told you based on my experiences, backed by data on representative portions of the population, I came up with most.

You may come up with something different. But come up with something.

4 days ago

When I see you use "most", I see intellectual laziness. It benefits your point of view to say most black people feel a certain way about homosexuality, perhaps because that has been your experience with most black people. Congratulations on exercising your right to form an opinion..Smile

You have the resources, come up your own analysis and take the cape off.
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Forum :  Topic : The next guy will have less baggage.

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PostPosted: 4 days ago    Post subject: The next guy will have less baggage.

7 days ago

Black men need to normalize healing, therapy, and self care.

6 days ago

You saying that, but I bet you everything that you get the wettest for the ones who are the most fucked up..😋

6 days ago

It’s all I know 😢😢😢

5 days ago

Why do you feel compelled to tell black men to fix what you seem to love most about them? Smile

5 days ago

I never said that’s what I love most about them!

I’m just saying the men I’ve dated could have benefited from therapy. I feel like all black ppl would. But it’s taboo in the black community, mainly for men, to seek help with their emotional wellness and mental health.

I suggested my S.O. seek therapy and his response was “why can’t I just come to my girl for that?”

And I feel like that’s common...I’ve had convos with friends and my mom about exes and relationships and therapy (couples, for ourselves, or our previous partner) and the general consensus was it would have been beneficial for all parties involved.

5 days ago

I think we all could benefit from a collective healing, but to be more direct, I think the issues we have as a people (black men, black women, gay, straight or trans) go much deeper than what traditional therapy offers. A therapist will have you on the couch for a year talking about surface shit without getting to the root cause. Therapy can be a helpful tool, but it isn't the be all and end all that people make it out to be.

5 days ago

What deeper issues?

4 days ago

The effects of slavery and systemic racism on the black psyche.

4 days ago

Which are almost 100% economic.

4 days ago

You and your percentages..🙄

4 days ago

Yep.

Simply for a point of reference. You take it so literally smh

4 days ago

No, I take it as someone trying to give the appearance of fostering a weighty dialog, but who hides behind arbitrary "percentages" that have no meaning instead of just owning that you feel the way you do because of your own personal drama..Smile

Ok.

But come up with something brother. At least I have an analysis. You have nothing but a cape.
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Forum :  Topic : The next guy will have less baggage.

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PostPosted: 4 days ago    Post subject: The next guy will have less baggage.

7 days ago

Black men need to normalize healing, therapy, and self care.

6 days ago

You saying that, but I bet you everything that you get the wettest for the ones who are the most fucked up..😋

6 days ago

It’s all I know 😢😢😢

5 days ago

Why do you feel compelled to tell black men to fix what you seem to love most about them? Smile

5 days ago

I never said that’s what I love most about them!

I’m just saying the men I’ve dated could have benefited from therapy. I feel like all black ppl would. But it’s taboo in the black community, mainly for men, to seek help with their emotional wellness and mental health.

I suggested my S.O. seek therapy and his response was “why can’t I just come to my girl for that?”

And I feel like that’s common...I’ve had convos with friends and my mom about exes and relationships and therapy (couples, for ourselves, or our previous partner) and the general consensus was it would have been beneficial for all parties involved.

5 days ago

I think we all could benefit from a collective healing, but to be more direct, I think the issues we have as a people (black men, black women, gay, straight or trans) go much deeper than what traditional therapy offers. A therapist will have you on the couch for a year talking about surface shit without getting to the root cause. Therapy can be a helpful tool, but it isn't the be all and end all that people make it out to be.

5 days ago

What deeper issues?

4 days ago

The effects of slavery and systemic racism on the black psyche.

4 days ago

Which are almost 100% economic.

4 days ago

You and your percentages..🙄

Yep.

Simply for a point of reference. You take it so literally smh
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PostPosted: 4 days ago    Post subject: SGL Men-Women...

7 days ago

...non-binary, so on and so forth...

Is still evolving and, as @puddn2pt0 has sagely pointed out, there are those who do not know of or do not connect to our community, for a myriad of reasons.

I do believe those of us, like DL, "straight acting", and men who have sex with men (I know, it all sound repetitive) will, at some point, access the SGL community. Attitudes are changing, albeit glacially, but changing nonetheless and I am hopeful that dialogues are sped up so that we can arrive at a place of commonality. Yes, it very well may mean that some or all, who do currently have sexual relations with SGL Black men reject wanting anything to do with the community. However, this thing is bigger than all of us.

Not having these conversations negatively affects federal, state and local $, employment, healthcare, law enforcement, education, access to capital, and myriad other resources for the larger Black community.

This is what happens when the truth is obfuscated.

7 days ago

Truth.

I'm all into this podcast because we need the DL side. We have heard the out gay and trans side. The only time we hear of/from the so-called straight identified DL man(which encompasses a lot of men), they are being outed or killing a trans woman. No humanity is given to these men but they are the nexus point between hetero and SGL black communities.

More men identify with them than I.

6 days ago

also wanted to point out that during the podcast, the woman brought up an interesting point. If a man and a woman are having sex and she penetrates the man, it is still considered hetero sex. The men accepted that. I thought that was enlightening.

6 days ago

Lol, that's the distinction between homosexuality and heterosexual sex...homo sex is all about who is the top and who is the bottom. Being the top is the equivalent of being the man, so being a top is a way gay men use to claim their manhood. That problem doesn't exist in heterosexual sex. A woman can stick a dildo up her man's ass 24/7, and he'll still be a man to him, her and everyone else, because it's about her pleasing her man. When a gay man gets anything put in his ass, it's about him being the woman in the dynamic...💯

6 days ago

Because it's two men.

Men can use our real dicks which implies arousal. Pegging is a kink, but homosexual sex is still problematic due to make arousal for another man.

5 days ago

That addresses how heterosexuals view homosexual sex. Does it mean that homosexuals have to view it the same way?

5 days ago

True, but vast majority of gay black culture, although subversive, has a hetero foundation. Society at large does not respect femininity in men. The vast majority of the gay black community feels the same way. Arousal for a man implies femininity for the top and it is obvious what is implied for the bottom.

You are a product of your environment, unless you are beneath the system like me and people like me, then you probably can't free your mind up a bit, but most black males, gay or straight, strive for the normative. Male-female is normative and anything that would subvert the sex roles would have to come from an outside source. The gift and the curse for gay men is we can subvert the roles using our own bodies and the sex acts can be similar to so-called hetero sex without the addition of a toy. This is why lesbians are not seen as having "real" sex. There is no real penis involved. What gay men have is "real". Our bodies are subversive, not an object brought from outside.

You have to realize, you live in such a phallic-centric and masculine dominated society, people don't take anything serious unless a real penis is involved and penetrating. The symbolism is supposed to be one of the ultimate expressions of masculinity. A lot of bottoms don't want a fem top for this reason.


Homosexuality is also seen as deviant as pedophilia.

5 days ago

Are your conclusions based strictly on your own opinion, your own experience, or documented data?

5 days ago

All of the above.

5 days ago

Any sources for the documented data?

5 days ago

Should be strewn about the board. I don't have time to look.

But most of it is common knowledge

Your own research should be rewarding, though.

But just to give you are start

https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C19&q=sex+roles+penetration+bottoms+masculinity+pegging&btnG=

Knock yourself out!

I want a FULL report with APA citations, and a literature review.

5 days ago

Do any of those touch on your proclamation regarding homosexuality and race? Smile

5 days ago

You should be able to come up with your own proclamation when you study.

I cant do everything for you, now.

5 days ago

You tried it...you are the one who said "most gay black people". I'm going to make the assumption that you don't know most gay black people, so I'm inquiring your source to make such a proclamation. Your opinion is not a valid source..Smile

5 days ago

Most, is not all.

4 days ago

How do you define most when you are referring to a population of people?

4 days ago

For every 8-9 out of 10 black Americans feel the way I stated.

80-90%

Hell, 75% of the entire gay community is prejudice against femininity. I conjecture as you analyze based on race, just in the black gay community, the number may increase to like 90%

Some 8-9 out of 10 black women are not going for anything that violates black mens masculinity. Idk why some of black men feel black women want them to be less masculine. No they want MORE MASCULINITY at toxic levels.

Most, is not all. Its teetering on "almost all"

4 days ago

Where is the data that substantiates that 80-90% of black Americans feel the way you claim?

I never said it was a fact.

I lead you to resources to read and formula your own opinion.

I told you based on my experiences, backed by data on representative portions of the population, I came up with most.

You may come up with something different. But come up with something.
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PostPosted: 4 days ago    Post subject: The next guy will have less baggage.

7 days ago

Black men need to normalize healing, therapy, and self care.

6 days ago

You saying that, but I bet you everything that you get the wettest for the ones who are the most fucked up..😋

6 days ago

It’s all I know 😢😢😢

5 days ago

Why do you feel compelled to tell black men to fix what you seem to love most about them? Smile

5 days ago

I never said that’s what I love most about them!

I’m just saying the men I’ve dated could have benefited from therapy. I feel like all black ppl would. But it’s taboo in the black community, mainly for men, to seek help with their emotional wellness and mental health.

I suggested my S.O. seek therapy and his response was “why can’t I just come to my girl for that?”

And I feel like that’s common...I’ve had convos with friends and my mom about exes and relationships and therapy (couples, for ourselves, or our previous partner) and the general consensus was it would have been beneficial for all parties involved.

5 days ago

I think we all could benefit from a collective healing, but to be more direct, I think the issues we have as a people (black men, black women, gay, straight or trans) go much deeper than what traditional therapy offers. A therapist will have you on the couch for a year talking about surface shit without getting to the root cause. Therapy can be a helpful tool, but it isn't the be all and end all that people make it out to be.

5 days ago

What deeper issues?

4 days ago

The effects of slavery and systemic racism on the black psyche.

Which are almost 100% economic.
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puddn2pt0

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PostPosted: 4 days ago    Post subject: SGL Men-Women...

7 days ago

...non-binary, so on and so forth...

Is still evolving and, as @puddn2pt0 has sagely pointed out, there are those who do not know of or do not connect to our community, for a myriad of reasons.

I do believe those of us, like DL, "straight acting", and men who have sex with men (I know, it all sound repetitive) will, at some point, access the SGL community. Attitudes are changing, albeit glacially, but changing nonetheless and I am hopeful that dialogues are sped up so that we can arrive at a place of commonality. Yes, it very well may mean that some or all, who do currently have sexual relations with SGL Black men reject wanting anything to do with the community. However, this thing is bigger than all of us.

Not having these conversations negatively affects federal, state and local $, employment, healthcare, law enforcement, education, access to capital, and myriad other resources for the larger Black community.

This is what happens when the truth is obfuscated.

7 days ago

Truth.

I'm all into this podcast because we need the DL side. We have heard the out gay and trans side. The only time we hear of/from the so-called straight identified DL man(which encompasses a lot of men), they are being outed or killing a trans woman. No humanity is given to these men but they are the nexus point between hetero and SGL black communities.

More men identify with them than I.

6 days ago

also wanted to point out that during the podcast, the woman brought up an interesting point. If a man and a woman are having sex and she penetrates the man, it is still considered hetero sex. The men accepted that. I thought that was enlightening.

6 days ago

Lol, that's the distinction between homosexuality and heterosexual sex...homo sex is all about who is the top and who is the bottom. Being the top is the equivalent of being the man, so being a top is a way gay men use to claim their manhood. That problem doesn't exist in heterosexual sex. A woman can stick a dildo up her man's ass 24/7, and he'll still be a man to him, her and everyone else, because it's about her pleasing her man. When a gay man gets anything put in his ass, it's about him being the woman in the dynamic...💯

6 days ago

Because it's two men.

Men can use our real dicks which implies arousal. Pegging is a kink, but homosexual sex is still problematic due to make arousal for another man.

5 days ago

That addresses how heterosexuals view homosexual sex. Does it mean that homosexuals have to view it the same way?

5 days ago

True, but vast majority of gay black culture, although subversive, has a hetero foundation. Society at large does not respect femininity in men. The vast majority of the gay black community feels the same way. Arousal for a man implies femininity for the top and it is obvious what is implied for the bottom.

You are a product of your environment, unless you are beneath the system like me and people like me, then you probably can't free your mind up a bit, but most black males, gay or straight, strive for the normative. Male-female is normative and anything that would subvert the sex roles would have to come from an outside source. The gift and the curse for gay men is we can subvert the roles using our own bodies and the sex acts can be similar to so-called hetero sex without the addition of a toy. This is why lesbians are not seen as having "real" sex. There is no real penis involved. What gay men have is "real". Our bodies are subversive, not an object brought from outside.

You have to realize, you live in such a phallic-centric and masculine dominated society, people don't take anything serious unless a real penis is involved and penetrating. The symbolism is supposed to be one of the ultimate expressions of masculinity. A lot of bottoms don't want a fem top for this reason.


Homosexuality is also seen as deviant as pedophilia.

5 days ago

Are your conclusions based strictly on your own opinion, your own experience, or documented data?

5 days ago

All of the above.

5 days ago

Any sources for the documented data?

5 days ago

Should be strewn about the board. I don't have time to look.

But most of it is common knowledge

Your own research should be rewarding, though.

But just to give you are start

https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C19&q=sex+roles+penetration+bottoms+masculinity+pegging&btnG=

Knock yourself out!

I want a FULL report with APA citations, and a literature review.

5 days ago

Do any of those touch on your proclamation regarding homosexuality and race? Smile

5 days ago

You should be able to come up with your own proclamation when you study.

I cant do everything for you, now.

5 days ago

You tried it...you are the one who said "most gay black people". I'm going to make the assumption that you don't know most gay black people, so I'm inquiring your source to make such a proclamation. Your opinion is not a valid source..Smile

5 days ago

Most, is not all.

4 days ago

How do you define most when you are referring to a population of people?

For every 8-9 out of 10 black Americans feel the way I stated.

80-90%

Hell, 75% of the entire gay community is prejudice against femininity. I conjecture as you analyze based on race, just in the black gay community, the number may increase to like 90%

Some 8-9 out of 10 black women are not going for anything that violates black mens masculinity. Idk why some of black men feel black women want them to be less masculine. No they want MORE MASCULINITY at toxic levels.

Most, is not all. Its teetering on "almost all"
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